Skip to content
New issue

Have a question about this project? Sign up for a free GitHub account to open an issue and contact its maintainers and the community.

By clicking “Sign up for GitHub”, you agree to our terms of service and privacy statement. We’ll occasionally send you account related emails.

Already on GitHub? Sign in to your account

Finite vs. Infinite Games #190

Open
nelsonic opened this issue Nov 7, 2019 · 0 comments
Open

Finite vs. Infinite Games #190

nelsonic opened this issue Nov 7, 2019 · 0 comments

Comments

@nelsonic
Copy link
Member

nelsonic commented Nov 7, 2019

Simon Sinek, one of the great communicators of 21st Century,
has a new book out called "The Infinite Game"
https://www.amazon.com/The-Infinite-Game/dp/B07DKHFTB7

Sinek borrowed the basic premise from James Carse's book "Finite and Infinite Games":

Some games are bounded and have a , like football or basketball or chess.
You see the short-term immediate implications, and you play them to WIN.
Other games, like marriage and health, are unbounded.
You see the long-term sustainability issues, and you play them to keep playing.

Finite Games have rules and timeframes. There are players, and there are observers in
an established field of play. The rules for the games are set, and generally known by the
players. Someone is designated as referee to judge how well you play by the rules. It is
easy to see who wins. After the game, no one argues about the score. The objective of the
game is to get the highest score so you win.

Infinite Games, on the other hand, are more open and less defined. Everyone plays in an
Infinite Game, and the field is not clearly defined. The rules of the game are not
constant. They change all the time, and there are no external judges or referees. The
players are accountable to themselves and each other for their behaviour in the game.
Ultimately, the rules of the game are devised to keep the game going - infinitely.

Text adapted from: hsdinstitute.org/assets/documents/5.1.1.6-finite-and-infinite-games.pdf

The reviews on https://www.amazon.com/Finite-Infinite-Games-James-Carse/dp/1476731713
are polarising. Some people love it and others hate it. #marmite

negative-review

positive-review

This review recommends reading The Evolution of Cooperation by Robert Axelrod
https://www.amazon.com/Evolution-Cooperation-Revised-Robert-Axelrod/dp/0465005640
Good summary: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Evolution_of_Cooperation

I find it useful to think of a finite game as competition and infinite games as cooperation from a game theory perspective. Some people treat life as a zero-sum game and are constantly trying to compete with their peers while others have realised that life is an infinite game in which all humans are temporary participants.

For an extended review of James Carse's book, see:
https://www.nateliason.com/notes/finite-infinite-games-james-carse


Summary of Sinek's book:


Simon Sinek - Be an infinite player:
image
https://youtu.be/KbYzF6Zy5tY

"Finite players play to beat the players around them.
Infinite players play to be better than themselves.
"

"Joy comes not from comparison but from advancement"

"We all have a responsibility in this tribe. If you want to have a happy and successful, fulfilling, confident life, you have to commit yourself to take care of the people around you. That's just how it works."

Why I Wrote "The Infinite Game"
image
https://youtu.be/0tRQGWo1p98

"So that we can recognised finite-minded companies and finite-minded leaders and avoid working for them".

The Infinite Game - Simon Sinek (The Welcome Conference)
image
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RFxIm7fcB7c

The Infinite Game (The New York Times Conferences)
image
https://youtu.be/tye525dkfi8

"There are multiple definitions of what winning and losing means."
"If you have at least one competitor, you have a game.
and there are two types of game: finite and infinite.
A finite game has known players, fixed rules and an agreed up on objective.
In an infinite game there are known and unknown players, the rules are changeable and the objective is to perpetuate the game or stay in the game as long as possible.
When we pit a finite player vs. a finite player, the system is stable; football is stable.
When we pit an infinite player against an infinite player, the system is also stable; the cold war was stable.
The players play until one drops out because they lack the resources or the will to continue to play.
The game continues with or without them, the player just leaves the game.
Problems arise when you pit a finite player vs. an infinite player,
because one is playing to win, and the other is playing to keep playing.
"

Responsible Leadership for Infinite Success - Simon Sinek - Full Session - WGS 2019
image
https://youtu.be/hgErG3NHBvw

Sign up for free to join this conversation on GitHub. Already have an account? Sign in to comment
Projects
None yet
Development

No branches or pull requests

1 participant