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[MyNameIsJulian]

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[nadonomy]

(Removing the redesign label as this issue is completely independent of the redesign.)

[MazeChaZer]

You can host Jitsi yourself (it's open source) and configure Riot to use that instance. I don't see how the use of Jitsi enforces any kind of "centralization". Matrix is not peer-to-peer, it's federated, meaning you can choose which servers to use and all servers are interoperable. The use of Jitsi doesn't break that. FYI, group calls where very unstable before Jitsi was introduced, so there is a reason they are not peer-to-peer anymore.

[MazeChaZer]

Yeah I guess if the Matrix server would provide the location of the Jitsi server this would solve the problem, right? This is how it already works with Synapse and the TURN server if a relay for WebRTC calls is needed. You install your own TURN server and configure Synapse to use it. Would be great if one could configure the Jitsi server on the homeserver and all clients adapt automatically 👍
I'm with you on this, I think it's bad that all group calls go over https://jitsi.riot.im/ unless you reconfigure your client. Especially because this configuration is tedious and has to be done at compile time. I just think that Jitsi itself isn't the problem, more the way it's integrated into the system.
Also, this is a duplicate of #7711

[xuebaxuebaxueba]

Please consider that the way this Jitsi thing is currently implemented somewhat subverts the trust model that people naturally tend to assume with a federated system like Matrix.

As the operator of a small homeserver, it puts me in a position of having to instruct my users not to use features X, Y and Z of the go-to Matrix client lest they have their communications routed over third parties. Which is all the more irritating when neither I nor my users particularly cared about those features in the first place.

Having the client ask the homeserver as per @MazeChaZer's suggestion seems like a reasonable solution.

[xuebaxuebaxueba]

Related: #6430, #6802

[Ezwen]

I'm curious, why is this closed? I thought removing Jitsi was part of the plan but not implemented yet.