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meta: cement "Jujutsu" (呪術) as the project name #3042

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Many users over the ages have asked about the name of the project, what it means, and how to refer to it. And occasionally we've talked about changing the name or getting rid of it, etc.

Recently, there was also confusion about the Japanese interpretation of the name itself, which can mean either 柔術 (martial arts) or 呪術 (magic, sorcery), each pronounced differently depending on the exact spelling that English speakers choose. We've never clarified this or thought about it.

Instead, let's embrace it. I've seen users tend to come away thinking or saying things like "jj is magic". As a result, the official name in Japanese is now unambiguously 呪術.

This also adds an FAQ section about the history of the name, the interpretation of the Japanese word itself, and how to properly refer to it in technical writing.


We should probably at least discuss this a bit, but it's an easy way to get the ball rolling. Personally, I quite like this interpretation. I suppose the final vote is up to Martin himself, though.

See also: Discussion #3021

Please note I am not a native Japanese speaker, so I may have gotten some of the exact details or wording a bit off. /cc @yuja @KimotoYanke

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I just went ahead and reflowed this paragraph, but the only actual real change is showing the kanji and romanized spelling.

Many users over the ages have asked about the name of the project, what it
means, and how to refer to it. And occasionally we've talked about changing
the name or getting rid of it, etc.

Recently, there was also confusion about the Japanese interpretation of the name
itself, which can mean either 柔術 (martial arts) or 呪術 (magic, sorcery), each
pronounced differently depending on the exact spelling that English speakers
choose. We've never clarified this or thought about it.

Instead, let's embrace it. I've seen users tend to come away thinking or saying
things like "jj is magic". As a result, the official name in Japanese is now
unambiguously 呪術.

This also adds an FAQ section about the history of the name, the interpretation
of the Japanese word itself, and how to properly refer to it in technical
writing.

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yuja commented Feb 14, 2024

"呪術" (magic, sorcery, curse?) is common thanks to the anime series, but it sounds like a slang. I personally prefer to not define the meaning of "Jujutsu".

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thoughtpolice commented Feb 14, 2024

"呪術" (magic, sorcery, curse?) is common thanks to the anime series, but it sounds like a slang. I personally prefer to not define the meaning of "Jujutsu".

Sounds good to me, you have more impact anyway. :)

Do you think we should at least specify the pronunciation, even if we don't define it exactly with this meaning? Maybe that's part of the charm in a way if it isn't.

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yuja commented Feb 14, 2024

Do you think we should at least specify the pronunciation, even if we don't define it exactly with this meaning?

I personally don't care. Maybe it's up to @martinvonz?

fwiw, the pronunciation of 柔術 is probably close to "jiu juts", and 呪術 is "ju juts".

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Do you think we should at least specify the pronunciation, even if we don't define it exactly with this meaning?

I personally don't care. Maybe it's up to @martinvonz?

I also don't really care. I can understand the desire to define the meaning and the pronunciation. @yuja, why do you prefer not to define it?

FWIW, I also liked the idea of defining it to mean magic/sorcery, but I don't know any Japanese, so I trust Yuya that it sounds like a slang word.

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yuja commented Feb 14, 2024

I can understand the desire to define the meaning and the pronunciation. @yuja, why do you prefer not to define it?

Just because it can be interpreted freely, and I don't care which is the official. Both interpretations (magic, martial arts) sound good to me.

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I'm not a Japanese nor native english speaker.
fwiw, I think 'JiuJitsu' more commonly use to write 柔術 by english(at least on America). Thanks to popularity of BJJ(Brazilian Jiujitsu) and UFC/MMA.

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KimotoYanke commented Feb 15, 2024

呪術 is more nuanced than sorcery in terms of the technology () of curses () (But I haven't read Jujutsu Kaisen, so the nuance may have changed...).
This is the nuance of the word I feel, but it's meant to takes a lot of time and effort, make people unhappy, not smart, dirty, somewhat different image from magic.
Of course, academically, it is a form of sorcery, but the literal meaning of the word inevitably has a negative image.

The most famous 呪術 is to go to a shrine at 2 am and hammer a nail into a straw doll to curse someone. Another representative 呪術 is that insects and small reptiles are locked in a jar and made to kill each other, with the winning one becoming a poison that can be used to curse and kill.

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necauqua commented Feb 15, 2024

oh, so someone saying it's more like "witchcraft (the negative kind)" were correct

jj is magic, but it is most definitely the good kind

I guess the shortest way of explaining/remembering why the magic spelling is meh is to say it means "the craft of cursing" (which is more appropriate to say about the git cli, not jj :) )

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