Reddit API changes #1437
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More details here https://www.reddit.com/r/apolloapp/comments/12ram0f/had_a_few_calls_with_reddit_today_about_the/ |
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It seems like they want to move third-parties onto their free Data API plan, while rescinding certain types of content behind paywalled premium APIs, mostly NSFW content. u/KeyserSosa explains a bit to one of the WSB bot creators here: https://www.reddit.com/r/reddit/comments/12qwagm/an_update_regarding_reddits_api/jgruulz/ |
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I'd be very interested to know if in future, apps (not necessarily just Inifinity, I mean any apps) will allow users to import their own API keys to use instead. The techcrunch article I saw on this topic seems to imply that there are some vaguely defined non-commercial uses of API keys that will still be offered to people for free. That is of course assuming it's all the same API/endpoints. "It’s not a blanket policy change. As reported by The New York Times, Reddit’s API will remain free to developers who want to build apps and bots that help people use Reddit, as well as to researchers who wish to study Reddit for strictly academic or noncommercial purposes." Source: https://techcrunch.com/2023/04/18/reddit-will-begin-charging-for-access-to-its-api/ |
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Is there any difference in how this affects users that use the app with an account vs those thag use anonymous mode? |
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as far as i understand probably both will be affected. Since in both cases the API is used - weather that's with or without authentication. So there will either be a fee one has to pay to reddit in order to use Infinity, and other 3rd party apps or someone decides to web-scrape reddit, or reddit decides to give away free keys for specific purposes |
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It's gotten worse https://www.reddit.com/r/apolloapp/comments/13ws4w3/had_a_call_with_reddit_to_discuss_pricing_bad/ |
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This is horrible, who's supposed to pay that |
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That's absurd. Reddit is clearly pricing third-party apps out of the ecosystem. Without Infinity, I simply won't use Reddit on mobile. The official app is not a good experience. |
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Looks like Reddit will crash and burn very soon.
May 31, 2023, 4:19 PM by ***@***.***:
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This is horrible, who's supposed to pay that
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https://www.theverge.com/2023/5/31/23743993/reddit-apollo-client-api-cost |
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https://reddit.com/r/modnews/comments/13wshdp/api_update_continued_access_to_our_api_for/ Looking at this, would allowing users to provide their own API keys be a viable option? That way each user is responsible for their own amount of requests. |
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@Docile-Alligator have you ever considered using a web scraping based approach, similar to something like Newpipe does for YouTube? Just wondering since doing that could possibly open up a lot more options like Reddit chat features that aren't available in the API but also allowing this app to go forward if they decide to close the API down completely. Why should we use their shitty limited API just so they can lock us out later? |
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Possibly for legal reasons |
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Web scraping is not illegal, if it was Newpipe wouldn't exist or would have been taken down long ago. |
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@Docile-Alligator Reddit sessions NEVER expire. It should be likely that you can get a token or something from that and then use whatever calls the official mobile app makes? Then you just have to ask users to sign in (secure this) Edit: It sseems that you can just use the API lol just swap out the dev key with one generated by the user or something. |
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I don't expect any new progress on the Infinity front, but here's Apollo's lead developer announcing the closure of Apollo for good. https://old.reddit.com/r/apolloapp/comments/144f6xm/apollo_will_close_down_on_june_30th_reddits/ |
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https://www.theverge.com/2023/6/8/23754616/reddit-third-party-apps-api-shutdown-rif-reddplanet-sync more third party reddit apps are calling it quits |
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Im tired of this narrative. These closed source apps dont have a way out, but we do. Infinity is an OPEN SOURCE app so we can utilize that fact to our advantage. Even if the dev wont do it someone else can. |
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And so it begins...
https://www.theverge.com/2023/6/8/23754183/apollo-reddit-app-shutting-down-api
I assume infinity will be next. 😢
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An app of such scale as infinity cannot survive with 100 calls. See thier point of view as well https://www.reddit.com/r/apolloapp/comments/13ws4w3/had_a_call_with_reddit_to_discuss_pricing_bad/, https://www.reddit.com/r/redditsync/comments/142dzy8/the_future_of_sync/ If you think you can sustain the app with these rates then feel free to continue. The app is open source, give it a shot. It will help everyone if infinity continues. |
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Pretty sure they're referring to the scenario of the users using their own API keys rather than an app-wide API key like before. |
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Do you honestly think a single reddit user will pass 100 calls per minute? Your linked articles provide absolutely zero evidence of that. Please provide actual evidence of your claims instead of closed source apps who (obviously) cannot sustain that rate shutting down. |
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The API changes also include removing all content tagged as NSFW from showing up in API calls, meaning, through the API, you cannot see any of it, except through the official app (which uses private endpoints). Something like Teddit's API (as I mentioned previously) could be an alternative, although it probably wouldn't allow you to login with your account but the option to use it could be given in addition to using your own keys. |
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Hence why we should invest in options that aren't directly controlled by them. We've been spoiled rotten by the API's easy availability, we shouldn't make the same mistake depending on something they could later just pull. |
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Seems they are providing exceptions for non-commercial accessibility-focused apps. Maybe Infinity can use that angle and then use scraping for nsfw content or teddit's api. Someone also posted https://archive.ph/gcQVK to HN which might be useful RedReader got an exception and will be able to continue existing with access to the free data apis
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Can also read some updates from Dystopia for Reddit. Apparently they were able to come to an agreement regarding access for free as well with similar considerations as RedReader. It seems that they can accept donations as well.
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Another idea is to use the app secrets extracted from the official app. See: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36086240 |
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I wonder if Reddit could potentially do anything to counter this on a technical side? |
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@DraconicNEO it's probably possible, it just depends how much they really care on their end. Odds are a lot of this is to make investors see "Hey look at how many people are using our app!" - if a third party client effectively spoofs the official one then their metrics look good. |
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It seems difficult to do so without some technical work, and we already know from their app design how wonderfully they do technical work /s. if you do exactly what the app is doing, then it would be hard to know that it came from somewhere else. To them a user using the normal api for normal things, and then using this private one for nsfw, would look like a user using a 3rd party app and then switching to the original for NSFW. As it is currently designed by my interpretation of it. |
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From my cursory glance at the code through a disassembler it honestly looks like it's just a bunch of GraphQL operations alongside a normal REST endpoint for the initial login flow(s). Their login token is just a hardcoded string in the APK in an XML file that gets encoded to base64 at runtime. |
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oh in that case, if its in the XML file, why not have infinity just STEAL it from their XML file. its just a folder so easy enough. |
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Been experimenting a bit just to see what sort of info can be extracted from the APK. Trying to make this pretty agnostic towards any obfuscation in the future which is why I'm not relying on class names. |
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Hi
Just read about this:
https://www.reddit.com/r/reddit/comments/12qwagm/an_update_regarding_reddits_api/
How will it affect our usage of this app?
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