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Drawbar and Detuned organ still one octave too low #526
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If it had been adressed in Mu4, you'd know or could check. Please do... If it is an issue with the soundfonts, and I believe it is, then I won't be able to fix this, and it isn't really a MuseScore problem in the first place |
I just checked. To your second point, though it is technically a problem with the soundfont itself, couldn't it be fixed by simply altering the default transposition or in the insruments.xml? |
It might be worked around by tweaking instruments.xml, but if so, just changing the octave transpositionings in the (presumably pretty few) affected scores (containing Drawbar, Detuned 1 or 2) would too, wouldn't it? Whatever: if/as the issue exists in Mu4 too, please report it there, at https://github.com/musescore/MuseScore/issues/new/choose |
Agreed, workarounds work (see last sentence in first post). Will report; thanks for the link. |
Yes, for now I'd rather keep this the same across versions. If and when it gets fixed in Mu4, I'll have another look. |
I have not confirmed this with my own ears yet, but I am interested in this issue. 1/ 2/ 3/ 4/ 5/ |
I'm sorry, I don't really trust Marc Sabatella's hearing, because it doesn't match the spectral analysis. However, from the comments 3/ Is it a fundamental solution to make a pitch-corrected MuseScore_General.sf3 under a different filename? |
3+ |
That is one option, but the individual would lose the sf3 size reduction. |
Which would make it fail with many other soundfonts |
True. |
I see, thanks! Polyphone SoundFont editor is able to read/write sf3 format file directly, |
Yes, it absolutely would work and polyphone is what I would suggest. |
sf3 directly? |
monitoring musescore#23659 |
I just refreshed my memory. |
It seems a pity, because all it would take is changing the transposition of the Drawbar Organ instrument (note: instrument, not sample or preset) in the soundfont from -24 to -12. Unrelated note: |
I don't know if Polyphone re-compresses when re-saving, [Menu(Top-Right corner)] ->
Yes! Thanks! |
I agree. |
Excellent, thank you. |
Reading the old and new MuseScore_General_License.md and MS Basic_License.md, |
I have the sf2 versions of MuseScore General and MuseScore General HQ, version 0.2.1, 210 MB and 478MB |
Excellent |
Not sure how to handle that |
I am obviously being super-anal trying to keep all the sf2 sources. |
I have General 0.2 and HQ 0.1.8 |
Note: I updated 'additional context' section. |
Good news / no news / bad news As I already have the correct General for 3.6.2 and Evo (0.2 2018), I could easily tweak the one needed parameter. |
As far as I can tell MS Basic is the same as MuseScore General HQ v0.2, or, as the Readme.md puts it: a scaled down version. |
Sorry, you lost me there. |
Things seem to be going backwards here if I understand things (doubtful). |
I don't know where to find MS Basic sf2. But I see no point in not using the HQ font there? |
I thought I had solved it with Cognitone's sf2convert. |
I could install sf3convert. I tried using it to do the conversion and it seems to work fine. If you send me the sf2 file, I will convert it to an sf3 file and send to you. |
Thanks for the offer. |
Semi-success! |
Thanks! I downloaded it. It was described 'v0.2.1' in the sf2 file, The number of 'Samples', 'Instruments' and 'Presets' has also changed slightly. v0.2.1: v0.2: |
That's great! thanks! |
I was attempting something similar. 215827444 MuseScore_General_0_2_1.sf2 Left column is file size. |
Checking 3.7 Evo it is in fact v0.2.sf3 included, 1246 204 309 38966KB |
Success, or as close as I think I can get. I now have an sf3 with correct Drawbar Organ instrument transposition based on MuseScore_General as included in 3.7 Evo. Generated via sf2 with sf3convert, a 0, q 0.795 Include or not, but the file is ready. |
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Y39F2YJIsZumGPry1ELJcbcmW2R-qZqG/view MuseScore_General_0.2.1.7z which can be downloaded from above URL, |
https://ftp.osuosl.org/pub/musescore/soundfont/MuseScore_General/MuseScore_General.sf2 I also tried converting from v2.0 sf2. 39900972 MuseScore_General.sf3 (Included with MuseScore 3.6.2) The value is very close, but it wasn't an exact match. I'm tired too :-) |
5 decimal places (?!) |
Jojo, if you could please clarify something: Now that Chris is involved, I am willing to step aside or be as much help as needed going forward, |
It should evolve 😉 |
I will be in communication with MuseScore about how to proceed with development of "MS Basic". I'm thinking perhaps a separate GitHub page for the SoundFont, documentation, and issue tracking—with Google Drive links or "releases" for the source SoundFont downloads—might not be a bad idea. |
@knoike: When converting the sf2 to sf3, I have been using:
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@mrbumpy409 |
Aah yes, "sfconvert" has since been renamed to "sf3convert" to avoid confusion with a different "sfconvert" tool. The amplitude reduction is to avoid clipping during the conversion to OGG. When converting to a lossy format, peaks will sometimes end up higher than they were in the original WAV audio. I had arrived at 1 dB attenuation as the ideal value through my testing. |
Thanks! 215827444 MuseScore_General_0_2_1.sf2 It wasn't an exact match, but it was very close.
For this reason too, I will use the parameters "-q 0.8 -a -1" you shown from now on. |
Hello, |
This question might be better addressed in the 4.3 soundfont thread: MS Basic absolutely has more samples than any previous MSGeneral, so I would say results are not guaranteed at all... |
I posted about this issue back in this post from 2021:
https://musescore.org/en/node/326427
and commented in this 2017 thread as well:
https://musescore.org/en/node/163756#comment-1104115
Harmonic analysis was performed.
Proof was given, complete with screen grabs and how to reproduce.
This is still the case with the newest version of the soundfont included with 4.3.
It should be an easy fix.
Replace -24 with -12 in the transposition for the Drawbar Organ instrument in the soundfont (note: instrument, not preset or sample). Then re-save. I could do this easily if granted access to MS Basic.sf2 so there would be no quality loss.
Though one could, one shouldn't simply change instruments.xml, because then MuseScore would be wrong for correctly pitched soundfonts.
I should note:
Workarounds are available.
You can either edit the soundfont yourself (and lose sf3 sizing) or transpose within MuseScore, but the optimist in me wants it to be correct out-of-the-box.
Thanks
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