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Re-add the "frame" span for tracy comparisons #8362

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In #6503 there were two changes to the top level tracing span "frame. Firstly it was renamed to "main app" and secondly the scope was reduced to only the main app. This means that there is no longer a top level span that can be used to compare frame times.

In addition to making it easier to compare across versions again, it also helps when running without the render feature. Previously the "frame" span was present in both cases but now to compare "headless" and render the comparison is between "main app" and "winit event_handler" and Tracy doesn't handle comparing non-matching frames well.

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This PR reintroduces the "frame" span so comparisons across versions and features is again easy.

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As an alternative route, the tracy-client crate that is used by tracing-tracy supports the ability to set multiple "Frame" markers using the secondary_mark_frame function. It may be possible to create a PR for tracing-tracy that exposes that functionality and then publish an "update" frame marker instead. This might have additional benefits in the future as it could be used for other systems we might want to track as frames without endless nesting.

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hymm commented Apr 15, 2023

I don't like the term "frame" for this span. The frame time is the time between when one frame is presented to the next. Without pipelined rendering the span misses capturing the i/o processing time. When pipelined rendering is enabled, this span is only vaguely related to the frame time. With the current behavior the new span is more like "main app + sub apps".

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MJohnson459 commented Apr 17, 2023

I don't like the term "frame" for this span.

That's fair. What about something like "update"? It's explicit about what the span is and "updates per second" is a fairly common metric. I just chose "frame" to maintain compatibility with the older releases which had this name.

Without pipelined rendering the span misses capturing the i/o processing time.

Sorry, I don't understand, which i/o processing is missed? Don't all the services run within an update cycle? Should I add something else to the span to help cover this case?

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hymm commented Apr 17, 2023

"update" sounds good to me.

which i/o processing is missed?

The winit runner processes events and then calls app.update(). You'll see these as the small winit event_handler spans between the bigger ones that includes the main app spans. It's hard to create a span that covers these since we'd need to create the span on one call to the callback and drop it on a different call to the callback function. https://github.com/bevyengine/bevy/blob/main/crates/bevy_winit/src/lib.rs#L652

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JMS55 commented Apr 19, 2023

What about calling it specifically "app_update"? Just "update" sounds a bit vague to me, and what if you have more subapps?.

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In context I think "update" should seem less vague. The two places it will appear is in the Tracy view and in printed log messages. In both cases there will be context either side that helps. Related, because it's printed in line with log messages, there is an incentive to keep it short if possible.

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2023-04-19T09:07:21.407456Z  INFO bevy_app:update:main app:schedule{name=Outer}...

Anyway, I can change it to "app_update" if you still prefer it.

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I think app_update is ever so slightly more clear, but this is fine.

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@MJohnson459 once merge conflicts are resolved I'm ready to merge this.

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