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Add support for automatic negation flags #815

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kbknapp opened this issue Jan 14, 2017 · 31 comments
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Add support for automatic negation flags #815

kbknapp opened this issue Jan 14, 2017 · 31 comments
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A-builder Area: Builder API A-derive Area: #[derive]` macro API A-parsing Area: Parser's logic and needs it changed somehow. C-enhancement Category: Raise on the bar on expectations S-waiting-on-design Status: Waiting on user-facing design to be resolved before implementing

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@kbknapp
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kbknapp commented Jan 14, 2017

Add a way to automatically generate flags that override (or negate) other flags. This can be done manually already, but doing so for an entire CLI can be tedious, painful, and error prone. Manually doing so will also pollute the --help output.

This proposal offers a way to automatically have these negation flags generated on a case by case basis, or across all flags in the command. This proposal also offers a way to have these negation flags listed in the --help message or hidden.

Design

A negation flag would simply take the long version of the regular flag and pre-pend no; for exmaple --follow would get a --no-follow. If a flag only specifies a short version, the no would be prepended to the short such as -L gets --no-L.

When parsing occurs, if a negation flag is found, and the negated argument was used, it functions exactly like a override that is already supported.

Functionally the following two examples are equivilant:

app.arg(Arg::with_name("regular")
        .long("follow-links")
        .help("follows symlinks")
        .overrides_with("override"))
    .arg(Arg::with_name("override)
        .long("no-follow-links")
        .help("does not follow symlinks"))

New proposal:

app.arg(Arg::with_name("regular")
        .long("follow-links")
        .help("follows symlinks")
        .overridable(true))

Concerns

There are two primary concerns with this approach.

Flags that already contian "no"

A flag which already starts with no such as --no-ignore would end up getting a double no in the form of --no-no-ignore. This actually makes sense and is consistent, but looks strange at first glance. An alternative would be to check if a flag starts with no and simply remove the no, i.e. --no-ignore becomes --ignore but this has the downside of additional processing at runtime, becomes slightly more confusing, and has a higher chance of a conflict.

Conflicting names

If a user has selected to auto-generate a negation flag, and the negating flag long conflicts with a flag already in use, a panic! will occur. Example, --ignore and --no-ignore is already defined elsewhere, and the user has selected to automaticlly generate negation flags, this will cause --ignore to generate a --no-ignore flag which already exists causing a panic!. The fix is to either not use a sweeping setting that applies ot all flags indescriminantly, or to change/remove the already defined --no-ignore flag.


Progress

  • Add AppSettings::GenerateNegationFlags which does the above, but automatically for all flags.
    • docs
    • tests
  • Add AppSettings:GenerateHiddenNegationFlags which hides all these negation flags.
    • docs
    • tests

See the discussion in BurntSushi/ripgrep#196

Relates to #748


Edit: Removed Arg::overridable(bool) because this can already be done manually by making another flag.

@kbknapp kbknapp added this to the 2.21.0 milestone Jan 30, 2017
@kbknapp kbknapp added C: flags and removed C: args labels Jan 30, 2017
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@jacobsvante
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Great proposal @kbknapp. Having a --no-* equivalent just feels natural when it comes to boolean values.

Perhaps this could even be the default, considering that v3 is still in beta? The user would then have to call .overridable(false) instead to get the old behavior.

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Not all single flags are need overridable flags. From looking at the clis, this is a minority use case. Which is why this won't be a default behaviour.

@dhruvkb
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dhruvkb commented Aug 8, 2022

I'll subscribe to the issue for updates. In the meantime I've got a variant of @blyxxyz's snippet working for me. Thanks!

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epage commented Aug 25, 2022

While I don't think this is the way we should go, I thought I'd record how CLI11 solves this problem: runtime parsing of a declaration string. See https://cliutils.github.io/CLI11/book/chapters/flags.html

charliermarsh added a commit to astral-sh/ruff that referenced this issue Sep 19, 2023
I'd really like this to render as `--preview / --no-preview`, but I
looked for a while in the Clap internals and issue tracker
(clap-rs/clap#815) and I really can't figure
out a way to do it -- this seems like the best we can do? It's also what
they do in Orogene.

Closes #7486.
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fzyzcjy commented Nov 13, 2023

Hi, is there any updates? Thanks! Especially, it would be great to have one in Parser derivation mode, instead of the builder mode.

P.S. I found https://jwodder.github.io/kbits/posts/clap-bool-negate/ but the workaround is not super neat IMHO

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blyxxyz commented Nov 13, 2023

FWIW, in xh we've moved to a still cleaner implementation by enabling clap's string feature and doing this:

let negations: Vec<_> = app
    .get_arguments()
    .filter(|a| !a.is_positional())
    .map(|opt| {
        let long = opt.get_long().expect("long option");
        clap::Arg::new(format!("no-{}", long))
            .long(format!("no-{}", long))
            .hide(true)
            .action(ArgAction::SetTrue)
            // overrides_with is enough to make the flags take effect
            // We never have to check their values, they'll simply
            // unset previous occurrences of the original flag
            .overrides_with(opt.get_id())
    })
    .collect();

app.args(negations)
    .after_help("Each option can be reset with a --no-OPTION argument.")

It no longer feels like a hacky workaround so I'm pretty happy with it. It's cool how flexible clap has become.

@spenserblack
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spenserblack commented Nov 13, 2023

For my specific use-case, it would be perfect for me if I could use #[derive(Parser)] and use this feature to create an Option<bool> which would automatically have --foo and --no-foo combined as a single --[no-]foo in the help message. IMO --[no-]foo is a very readable and concise way to say "there are two mutually exclusive flags, and the app will decide if neither are specified." For example, --[no-]color to either force colors to be included or excluded in a CLI output, and the executable would try to detect color support if neither are specified.

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pacak commented Nov 13, 2023

use this feature to create an Option<bool> which would automatically have

In my experience you only use Option<bool> if you want to handle case when user did not specify a value differently than from it being true or false, otherwise you just stick to bool and populate the default value from the parser. Option<bool> works on small examples but if you share configurations between apps or even use it in multiple places in the same app you can get into cases where different parts of the app treat None differently.

@fzyzcjy
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fzyzcjy commented Nov 13, 2023

Thank you! That looks helpful

@kenchou
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kenchou commented Nov 23, 2023

If the #[derive(Parser)] could implement a boolean flag like Python click,
it would be perfect, combining both readability and flexibility.

@click.option('--color/--no-color', default=False)
@click.option('--enable-option/--disable-option', default=False)
@click.option('--with-something/--without-something', default=False)

Imagine:

    /// Given that the default value is true, providing a short option should be considered as false. And vice versa.
    #[arg(short = "C", long = "--color/--no-color", default_value = "true")]
    color_flag: bool,

    /// Explicitly providing a short option maps to true/false.
    #[arg(short = "o/O", long = "--enable-option/--disable-option", default_value = "true")]
    some_option_flag: bool,

@esemeniuc
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Would love to see this added!

@joshtriplett
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I would love this as well. Like others in this thread, I don't think we should try to do this automatically; I'd be happy to see an explicit way for the builder and declarative APIs to add a --no- option for a given option.

This option could work for a boolean, as well as for an Option<T> that has a default of Some(default_value) (with the --no- option setting None).

    #[arg(long, negation)]
    pub auto: bool,

    #[arg(long, default_value = "hello", negation)]
    pub value: Option<String>,

@epage
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epage commented Aug 6, 2024

@joshtriplett interesting to also include this for options.

We also would need to define the builder API and what the semantics for this would be (parser, help, etc).

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ia0 commented Aug 6, 2024

If negation should not be automatically enabled, I would also argue that negation should also not automatically add default_value_t = true for booleans (even though I agree it would make a lot of sense). If we want to be explicit with unsurprising syntax, I expect the --auto/--no-auto use-case to look like:

#[arg(long, default_value_t = true, negation)]
pub auto: bool,

In some way, negation only make sense if long is already present and if default_value is already present. If long is not implicitly added, then default_value shouldn't either. And since we want to support Option, then we can't implicitly add default-value (unless we use the syntax support_negation_of_default = <default>, in which case both long and default_value can be inferred).

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epage commented Aug 6, 2024

If negation should not be automatically enabled, I would also argue that negation should also not automatically add default_value_t = true for booleans (even though I agree it would make a lot of sense).

default_value_t (what to do when no flag is present) and default_missing_value_t (what to do when the flag is present) are both customizable for flags. I don't think I'd want to say default_value_t should be required though.

Option<bool> (as mentioned earlier) is also a good way of handling the "not present" state.

In some way, negation only make sense if long is already present and if default_value is already present. If long is not implicitly added, then default_value shouldn't either. And since we want to support Option, then we can't implicitly add default-value (unless we use the syntax support_negation_of_default = , in which case both long and default_value can be inferred).

I don't quite get this. Flags already require long/short. This is a modification to flag state. For someone to add negation to an existing flag to now have to explicitly set flags that they were ok with before this doesn't make sense to me.

And since we want to support Option, then we can't implicitly add default-value (unless we use the syntax support_negation_of_default = , in which case both long and default_value can be inferred).

There are lots of ways of implementing this and they don't necessarily preclude this:

  • We can support Option and implicit default_value_t by checking the ValueSource
  • We could skip the implicit default if Option is present

Overall though, this discussion has a fatal flaw: we are designing a feature around derive semantics and discussing what is or isn't possible. We need to focus on the builder semantics and then decide what automatic behavior we want to the derive semantics to have on top of that. There can be some back and forth on that (the derive influencing the builder design). Thats a big value-add of merging structopt into clap! We've run into many problems where the builder API made choices that work well in isolation but don't work well for builder and have worked to correct them.

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ia0 commented Aug 7, 2024

I don't think I'd want to say default_value_t should be required though.

Maybe I'm misunderstanding what you imply. I didn't say that default_value_t should be required. I said that negation should not act as an implicit default_value_t, and thus correct usage of negation should specify a default_value_t (it's not required, it's just probably wrong to not do it). Not sure about default_missing_value_t though, some specified semantics (as you mention at the end of your comment) would indeed be useful. What I inferred from @joshtriplett comment would be a semantic like:

  • If negation is specified, then an additional conflicting flag is added.
  • It is named --no-LONG where LONG is the long name of the negated flag (which must thus have a long name).
  • It doesn't have a short name.
  • When present it behaves by setting the field to false if it is a bool and to None if it is an Option.

Option<bool> (as mentioned earlier) is also a good way of handling the "not present" state.

This doesn't have the same user experience. The best workaround right now is to explictly define the additional --no- flag and make it conflicting with the negated one (real-life example). Then in the code, check both flags and behave accordingly (real-life example). Note that in this example, the "default value" (i.e. when none of those flags is present) is context-dependent. In that sense, it is similar to the Option<bool> except that it's implemented with 2 bools where (true, true) is unreachable (thus having exactly the same number of values, namely 3).

I don't quite get this.

That's probably related to the misunderstanding above. What if @joshtriplett example was actually the following?

    #[arg(negation)]
    pub auto: bool,

What would it mean? What is the name of the added flag? And similarly if it was #[arg(short, negation)]. But as you said at the end, we need a clear semantics, which I provided a candidate at the beginning of this comment. Hopefully it makes things clearer.

We need to focus on the builder semantics and then decide what automatic behavior we want to the derive semantics to have on top of that

I thought the builder and derive semantics were isomorphic since it seems derive attributes cover all builder functions. I never used the builder so maybe I'm missing some functionalities. That said, I agree that proposals need a clear semantics, and I hope the one I gave above is clear enough (for both builder and derive).

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emilyyyylime commented Aug 7, 2024

More generally it might be desirable to support multiple argument names controlling the same value (with different actions) that are all automatically exclusive with eachother, with some shorthands to better support more common use cases (bools, options).

Working out all of the semantics of this more general approach could make it much easier to define the semantics of the shorthand forms, as simply being equivalent to some usage of the general API.

Admittedly the current API is very value-centric, making it a bit hard to imagine how this feature could be used, but being able to assign multiple flag-action pairings to the same value would be your starting point.

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