Add Organizations using D #1312

wilzbach · 2016-05-27T00:52:44Z

Idea: If someone asks you about companies using D, you redirect him to this page.
Inspired by this forum thread

I hope this looks a lot more visually appealing than the wiki ;-)

I just started by adding companies from the current D uses and I hope in the future we can be more selective on dlang.org and highlight key players - or when the D foundation progresses: sponsors and members.

Question: @CyberShadow what is the best place to link to this?

Menu "Community"
Community text
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It is responsive too.

Medium size:

Mobile:

CyberShadow · 2016-05-27T03:38:50Z

This looks very nice but I don't know the policy for such things, do we ask companies permission first, or do we mention them and only remove them if they ask us to?

CyberShadow · 2016-05-27T03:40:04Z

I think that if we go forward with this, it should be in a terser form on the front page too.

wilzbach · 2016-05-27T03:40:38Z

This looks very nice but I don't know the policy for such things, do we ask companies permission first, or do we mention them and only remove them if they ask us to?

Disclaimer: I am not an expert on legal things, but this is Wikipedia's has policy:

Note that it is not necessary to seek formal permission from the owner in advance of using its logo, so long as the usage is fair use, does not create any impression that the logo is associated with Wikipedia or endorses either Wikipedia or the article in which the logo appears, and does not create any reasonable grounds for complaint by the owner.
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This is a logo of an organization, item, or event, and is protected by copyright and possibly trademark. It is believed that the use of low-resolution images on the English-language Wikipedia, hosted on servers in the United States by the non-profit Wikimedia Foundation, of logos for certain uses involving identification and critical commentary may qualify as fair use under United States copyright law.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Logos

Imho we clearly state differentiate by saying: "Organizations running D in production.".

wilzbach · 2016-05-27T03:41:49Z

I think that if we go forward with this, it should be in a terser form on the front page too.

Great idea - is there anywhere space for this?

CyberShadow · 2016-05-27T03:41:53Z

Okay, but there is a difference between what is legal and what is nice.

CyberShadow · 2016-05-27T03:43:38Z

Great idea - is there anywhere space for this?

Subjective but I would put it right above "Why D?", perhaps as a banner collage of the companies' logos.

wilzbach · 2016-05-27T04:50:59Z

Subjective but I would put it right above "Why D?", perhaps as a banner collage of the companies' logos.

I put it at the bottom of the page under "Industry-proven" (is there a better name?). Looks still great:

tsbockman · 2016-05-27T05:14:08Z

Note that it is not necessary to seek formal permission from the owner in advance of using its logo, so long as the usage is fair use, does not create any impression that the logo is associated with Wikipedia or endorses either Wikipedia or the article in which the logo appears, and does not create any reasonable grounds for complaint by the owner.

Titling the page "Friends of D" implies endorsement, as does "Industry-proven". I really think you need permission from the companies to use their trademarks in this way.

wilzbach · 2016-05-27T10:47:21Z

I really think you need permission from the companies to use their trademarks in this way.

Ok I tried to ping a Dlang developer for each company. Let's hope they all approve being listed on "Friends of D" and allow the use of their logo :)

Facebook: @deadalnix
Sociomantic: @leandro-lucarella-sociomantic
Remedy Games: @GooberMan
Weka: @liranzvibel
Funkwerk AG: @lindt
eBay: @jondegenhardt
RandomStorm: @ethicalhack3r
EMSI: @Hackerpilot
SR Labs: @pinver
Infognition: thedeemon

PS: I hope you don't mind being listed here as contact person for the company, please let us know if I found the wrong person.

yannick · 2016-05-27T11:31:51Z

Tamedia Digital: https://raw.githubusercontent.com/tamediadigital/tamedia-logos/master/tamedia-digital/logo_tam_digital_pos.jpg
we're using D and Vibe.d for processing data streams and for API's

thedeemon · 2016-05-27T11:35:12Z

As the head of Infognition Co. Ltd. I'd be happy for it to be included in such list.
Logo: http://www.infognition.com/images/logo.svg
http://www.infognition.com/images/infognition_logo_650_500.png

GooberMan · 2016-05-27T12:57:19Z

I'm running it by the higher-ups, will let y'all know when I have confirmation.

liranz · 2016-05-27T13:13:27Z

I think it's a great idea, and would love to help push D to becoming a more mainstream option.

jondegenhardt · 2016-05-27T17:01:10Z

I need to check on company policy, will respond when I have more info.

Two things I'm expecting to be asked: First: what is the entity making the request. Is it the D Foundation? Second is simply the specific image used for the logo. There is often sensitivity about this.

andralex · 2016-05-27T20:47:43Z

I'm not in love with "Frends of D". (1) Didn't like "Friends of Rust" one bit, and the fact we're copying it doesn't help. Brands and products don't have friends. People do. (2) Does this open the phrase to "the D" jokes?

How about simply "Organizations Using the D Language"?

andralex · 2016-05-27T20:48:27Z

Forgot to mention - the notion itself is awesome.

wilzbach · 2016-05-27T21:03:22Z

How about simply "Organizations Using the D Language"?

Fair point - renamed it.
Btw I also tuned the UI a bit - that's how it looks at the moment.

andralex · 2016-05-27T21:06:27Z

Great. I know next to nothing about css, but would it make sense for that page to have its own instead of adding to the global one?

wilzbach · 2016-05-27T21:13:56Z

Great. I know next to nothing about css, but would it make sense for that page to have its own instead of adding to the global one?

It's it own - @CyberShadow just proposed to add a selection to the frontpage.
Have a look yourself:

http://dtest.thecybershadow.net/artifact/website-1505d4939c110b1136ed2a1d0bf6eff5cf809148-fd1a65e9eae8059f93500937e6cff67b/web/index.html
http://dtest.thecybershadow.net/artifact/website-1505d4939c110b1136ed2a1d0bf6eff5cf809148-fd1a65e9eae8059f93500937e6cff67b/web/orgs-using-d.html

andralex · 2016-05-27T21:17:04Z

@jondegenhardt yah the site's material is by the D Language Foundation so the request comes from it. Thanks for looking into this!

andralex · 2016-05-27T21:17:54Z

@wilzbach cool then, I approve this pending @jondegenhardt 's response.

dnadlinger · 2016-06-04T19:07:53Z

This file hasn't been merged yet, so you get a 404 from Github ;-)

Derp.

more nitpicks before we publish the initial version?

~~Do we have approval from all the parties yet? If so, I'd say go for it.~~ You've removed the pending ones, right? Just waiting for you to squash the commits, then. ;)

wilzbach · 2016-06-04T19:21:56Z

Do we have approval from all the parties yet? If so, I'd say go for it.

Yes except for Sociomantic (dconf key sponsor + logo on dconf.org) and Facebook (2013 dconf sponsor). Should I remove them too or do you think that being a dconf sponsor is enough?

dnadlinger · 2016-06-04T19:28:35Z

Sociomantic I wouldn't be worried about, they are on public record as supporting D, and if they weren't okay with the use, they'd probably just tell use, we'd remove the logo, and everything would be fine.

Facebook I can't really judge; for example, their logo wasn't used on the DConf website either.

aG0aep6G · 2016-06-04T20:50:37Z

index.dd

+    C_A=$1:$2;
+    EXTRA_HEADERS=$(T style,
+        .frontpage-orgs h3 {
+           $(C_A margin, 0.4em)


What's the point of the C_A macro?

Ddoc!
It recognizes .*: as header macro (like title: or params:) and behaves weirdly.
I should probably add a comment about this.

Ddoc!
It recognizes .*: as header macro (like title: or params:) and behaves weirdly.

Ouch.

I should probably add a comment about this.

Or just move to a *.css file :P

aG0aep6G · 2016-06-04T20:55:03Z

I thought about this and I moved all custom css of the page in the a header style block. style.css is used for many other subsites to achieve the branding, so we shouldn't bloat this.

I'd prefer having it in style.css or another css/.css file, so that all CSS is in one place. But that'ss just my personal preference.

dnadlinger · 2016-06-04T21:33:42Z

@aG0aep6G: Keeping per-page CSS inline is actually best practice, as it saves on loading times.

aG0aep6G · 2016-06-04T21:49:27Z

@aG0aep6G: Keeping per-page CSS inline is actually best practice, as it saves on loading times.

I think it's more important that we easily find it, but I could live with it being inline. However, as @wilzbach has discovered, writing CSS in Ddoc is quite a pain. I don't think it's worth the hassle.

wilzbach · 2016-06-04T22:31:09Z

@aG0aep6G: Keeping per-page CSS inline is actually best practice, as it saves on loading times.
I think it's more important that we easily find it, but I could live with it being inline.

Imho it's better if we keep it inline - it's faster, cleaner and easier to maintain. If someone wants to modify this page, he basically just needs to scroll down for the CSS.

However as @wilzbach has discovered, writing CSS in Ddoc is quite a pain. I don't think it's worth the hassle.

It's not that horrible - compared to all the pain writing CSS in general ;-)

Facebook I can't really judge; for example, their logo wasn't used on the DConf website either.

I asked Andrei about Facebook and Sociomantic:

Feel free to list both, I'll take the heat if anything happens. -- Andrei

Should I squash the commits?

aG0aep6G · 2016-06-04T22:39:31Z

Imho it's better if we keep it inline - it's faster, cleaner and easier to maintain. If someone wants to modify this page, he basically just needs to scroll down for the CSS.

I don't think it's obvious that the origin of the CSS block is the *.dd file.

It's not that horrible - compared to all the pain writing CSS in general ;-)

I disagree. I don't think having it in a *.css is bad enough to put up with the weirdness.

dnadlinger · 2016-06-04T22:52:27Z

Should I squash the commits?

Yes, please.

wilzbach · 2016-06-04T22:59:02Z

Yes, please.

Done and added a comment about inline CSS.
Be a bit careful with merging - thanks to @CyberShadow it's now auto-deployed ;-)

dnadlinger · 2016-06-04T23:43:14Z

Be a bit careful with merging - thanks to @CyberShadow it's now auto-deployed ;-)

Yep, but I think it's definitely good enough for a first version.

andralex · 2016-06-05T00:48:19Z

Noice

liranz · 2016-06-05T07:11:08Z

Didn't view for some time.
You specify "Entire infrastructure and network stack", which may lead people to think most of the product is not D, but the whole product (complete distributed storage solution) is in D, not only the infrastructure and network stack.
So, while the statement is true, you can claim a stronger message.

wilzbach · 2016-06-05T09:00:38Z

Didn't view for some time.

The page was improved quite a bit during the life of this PR ;-)

So, while the statement is true, you can claim a stronger message.

Thanks! See #1334

leandro-lucarella-sociomantic · 2016-06-06T14:11:29Z

Sociomantic

I haven't got a final confirmation from @leandro-lucarella-sociomantic, but considering that they were the main sponsor of this year's DConf I hardly doubt that deny the fact that they use D.
We use their Sociomantic's logo on dconf.org too ;-)

I've got the final official OK, but I was asked to change the description of the company to "Real-time personalized advertising". I hope that's OK.

Thanks!

leandro-lucarella-sociomantic · 2016-06-06T14:16:44Z

Also, there are 2 other DConf talks that might be relevant to describe what the company do or its relationshipt to D: http://dconf.org/2014/talks/clugston.html and http://dconf.org/2016/talks/lucarella.html. I'm not sure if it does make any sense to include them though.

wilzbach · 2016-06-06T14:19:06Z

I've got the final official OK,

Great to hear & sorry that I pushed this a bit too much!

but I was asked to change the description of the company to "Real-time personalized advertising". I hope that's OK.

Do you want to quickly submit the PR yourself?
Just edit this file: https://github.com/dlang/dlang.org/blob/master/orgs-using-d.dd

Also, there are 2 other DConf talks that might be relevant to describe what the company do or its relationshipt to D

Again feel free to change the description, but we probably can only put one DConf link there :/
So just take the newest?

CyberShadow · 2016-06-07T18:37:05Z

@wilzbach BTW, I noticed that there are a lot more entries on https://wiki.dlang.org/Current_D_Use than mentioned here. What's the story with the other ones?

wilzbach · 2016-06-07T18:49:41Z

BTW, I noticed that there are a lot more entries on https://wiki.dlang.org/Current_D_Use than mentioned here. What's the story with the other ones?

I pinged them via mail, but didn't get any reply back (yet) :/

deadalnix · 2016-06-07T22:24:39Z

Ping @markisaa who'll be able to provide more detailed infos than I.

CyberShadow · 2016-06-07T22:47:54Z

I pinged them via mail, but didn't get any reply back (yet) :/

Perhaps if they added themselves to the wiki page, they won't mind if we list them on the site either. Of course we'd need to also be sure that the person who edited the wiki page is from the respective organization.

wilzbach · 2016-06-07T22:59:44Z

Perhaps if they added themselves to the wiki page, they won't mind if we list them on the site either. Of course we'd need to also be sure that the person who edited the wiki page is from the respective organization.

I am pretty sure they won't mind, but iirc

we have created this huge thread because we need the permission to copy & display the proprietary logo?
we don't know exactly for what they use D (and whether they even still use D) - for one company (called "Large hedge fund" in the wiki) they responded they currently reevaluated their tech stack and can't tell about the future.
We don't have any specific links - all orgs currently listed have at least one link where the reader can read more about the company's involvement with D

That being said, I will try to ping them again next week ;-)

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