Adding icon for amenity=university and amenity=college [WIP]

[kocio-pl]

Related to #120 (partial solution).

Code based on amenity=hospital, but using current university/college label color.

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[Circeus]

PLEASE not. Having a scaling name for these is one of the best thing about them, and anything with an icon has a name that can't scale anymore according (IIRC) pixel_area. In fact, I personally wish we could reasonably get rid of the hospital icon so hospital names could scale too.

[matthijsmelissen]

anything with an icon has a name that can't scale anymore according (IIRC) pixel_area

That's not a technical limitation, so if we want scaling labels in combination with icons we can define rules that allow this. Currently, caravan sites already do have a scaling label in combination with an icon.

See also #1355. @Circeus, I would be very interested in hearing your feedback on that issue.

[dieterdreist]

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Il giorno 23 set 2016, alle ore 12:33, Matthijs Melissen [email protected] ha scritto:

That's not a technical limitation, so if we want scaling labels in combination with icons we can define rules that allow this. Currently, caravan sites already do have a scaling label in combination with an icon.

but it's a limitation designwise, either we scale the icon along with the text (would be a big change) or it will lead to strange looks (tiny icon compared to text).
Maybe having 2 or even three icon sizes could eventually look ok, it surely would increase code complexity (offsets etc) quite a bit

[kocio-pl]

We should probably have a general rule for such cases - see for example similar problem with prison: #1022

UPDATE - also some other examples:
#1019
#1020
#1052
#2073

[RobJN]

Do you need an icon for a university given that the name will usually include "university" in it?

[polarbearing]

@RobJN - is there any research that supports your assumption? OSM defines the use of the university tag for third level institutions, and I know many of them not carrying 'university' in their name. The MIT is probably the most prominent on the technology sector.

[matthijsmelissen]

Do you need an icon for a university given that the name will usually include "university" in it?

Not saying we would, but we could show the university icon on lower zoom levels, before the name can be displayed, to indicate the campus location inside the city.

[RobJN]

No evidence just my hunch for the UK. Just seems like there was a lot of
attempt to clean up the map render and now loads of icons are being added.
Just wondered whether this was directed by a strategy. I'm sure you agree
that there is a balance between usefulness of icons and clutter.

On 13 Oct 2016 9:04 a.m., "Matthijs Melissen" [email protected]
wrote:

Do you need an icon for a university given that the name will usually
include "university" in it?

Not saying we would, but we could show the university icon on lower zoom
levels, before the name can be displayed, to indicate the campus location
inside the city.

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[kocio-pl]

Can we reach some agreement with this PR? If not, I'm gonna close this PR without merging in a few days.

[polarbearing]

In favour of merging.

[kdudzik]

I don't like this change. Icons suggest nodes or small areas. We could enable this icon for nodes only but enabling it also for areas makes the campuses look worse IMHO.

[kocio-pl]

We could enable this icon for nodes only but enabling it also for areas makes the campuses look worse IMHO.

That would be inconsistent with how we deal with hospitals. Do you think that universities are different in that regard?

[matthijsmelissen]

What about first trying to render the name (in italics), and if it doesn't fit render the icon (without label)?

[polarbearing]

math1985> name (in italics), and if it doesn't fit render the icon (without label)

hm is that consistent behaviour someone would expect? Would that mean that in lower zoom I see an icon, when I zoom in the name?

kdudzik> Icons suggest nodes or small areas.

First time I hear about such rule.

kdudzik> We could enable this icon for nodes only but enabling it also for areas makes the campuses look worse IMHO.

Why? Maybe you have a campus that is tagged incorrectly, i.e. amenity nodes/buildings within the campus amenity?

Nodes and areas should not be treated differently in rendering, often a node is a first step in mapping before it is expanded to an area.

[kdudzik]

@kocio-pl I don't think hospitals are any different - they should be handled the same way, true.

@polarbearing I don't know any rule, that's just my subjective opinion. I'm not quite convinced to it, but I would prefer it to the current proposal.
Maybe @math1985's idea could work.
In my opinion a small icon with a small caption (or even without a caption) in the middle of a large area (which it represents) looks just weird.

[kocio-pl]

I think we should first rethink how do we render similar objects and then go back to this problem. Thanks for the feedback!

[Tomasz-W]

Further discussion in #3284