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Add comments about StartTimeUnixNano #295

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@jmacd jmacd commented Apr 22, 2021

This follows the discussion from 4/20/21, notes here.

CC: @vishiy @jsuereth @open-telemetry/specs-metrics-approvers

Resolves #292
Resolves #289

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This looks good, but I'm requested two changes:

  1. Make it explicitly clear this algorithm is an outline. Possibly include a link to a specification section where we can go into more details and justification.
  2. We should be explicit with identity of metrics. At a minimum "resource" should be included in your key for the map.

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jmacd commented Apr 26, 2021

@jsuereth and @tigrannajaryan please take another look at 03b2d36, I merged another commit clarifying how StartTimeUnixNano MAY be used with Gauges and Summaries for overlap detection.

@bogdandrutu please review.

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jmacd commented May 5, 2021

@open-telemetry/specs-metrics-approvers PTAL.

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// and with it prescribes a solution for filling in StartTimeUnixNanos
// with as much information as possible to assist consumers with
// calculating rates and detecting overlap. This process can be
// applied to Sum and Histogram points with cumulative aggregation
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You cannot apply that unless you know:

  1. Sum is monotonic
  2. Histogram Sum is monotonic (which is something that we don't know, and have issue Is knowing that a Histogram/Summary sum is monotonic important? #187), which I think was not resolved, because we need at least to add a comment that the sum is "counter".

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EDIT For histograms we should use the "count" as the counter and all other bins values are counters, so we are good on that.

But the question about #187 still stays, it says that is resolved in a manner but I don't see that in the documentation.

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+1 to adding documentation on how to handle things as we discussed in #187. Do you want that in a separate PR (I can do that) or we can update this PR with it.

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Separate PR is good.

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I have tried to separate the topic of "reset" from the topic of computing a rate. The notion of a reset I'm trying to develop has to do with eliminating overlapping series that may have been accidentally written as well as calculating correct rates.

The logic here applies a StartTime to all the kinds of points you might find in a Prometheus RemoteWrite output (or WAL), for example, and the outcome is an OTLP stream that is not overlapping with itself as well as encodes information about reset semantics.

This formalizes the Prometheus heuristic for resetting counters in a way that lets OTLP points be written out of order, but it also ensures that two Prometheus servers configured to write the same series, converted into OTLP this way would be detected as overlapping.

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// Data points with/ the 0 value for TimeUnixNano SHOULD be rejected
// by consumers.
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// # StartTimeUnixNano
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In the interest of both getting this PR in, and ensuring information is easily found, Would It make sense to move the depiction of unbroken sequences and start time synthesis into the DataModel specificaiton (with a link from here) rather than in the proto file?

a. We may evolve/improve the description.
b. This isn't a great medium for delivering "why" content.

My mantra for this file is "What, not why", and for the DataModel specification is "Why then What" (i.e. Justification, then Specification semantics).

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OK; will do.

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+1 @jsuereth also we make sure we don't duplicate specification and get one of them outdated

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I would also remove from line 134 to 154 for the moment. We can add it later.

@jmacd jmacd merged commit 78d3024 into open-telemetry:main May 11, 2021
@jmacd jmacd deleted the jmacd/start_time branch May 11, 2021 16:24
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