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Economic Game Theory of Weighted Voting Systems #984
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Sponsorship: I'd look to @timotheus, @phil, @theophoric, @luigidemeo, @ysgjay, @dckc , @JosDenmark , @pekkok, @vlad, @kent, @traviagio for support on this issue. Budgetary voting and blockchain Consensus are to my way of thinking related. In particular Vlad has argued that coalition forming should be assumed not avoided: built right into to our systems and our mathematical analysis as ground level hypotheses. |
Game theory and economics is of course important work, but I'm struggling to see the direction here. I don't see any acknowledgement here of the existing literature on the trust metric in use in the RChain bounty ssytem. I didn't design the trust metric. It was designed by Raph Levin in the early 2000s:
The "Economic Game Theory of Weighted Voting Systems" title is awfully broad; is the scope of the proposed task actually that wide? If not, please refine the title. The benefit to RChain is also vague: "Sponsored research in this area helps us understand, design and implement attack resistant systems." Any sponsored research? "Issue posted and comments addressed" is an odd measure of completion for research. You're not suggesting this github issue as a venue for peer review of game theory research, are you? Oh... dGov18 ... isn't acceptance there a more relevant measure of completion? |
@dckc yes, as part of properly writing up this issue I'm committed to acknowledging Trustmetric and providing proper links and references. Also yes, the title is unnecessarily broad. I had thought about making it narrower but decided to leave it for now, hoping to attract more contributors. We'll need to refine the title and the issue statement itself if we continue into next month. Also, I've edited the "benefit" to "may help us to understand". The issue work described here is only work we did in August and September, far from the "finish line" of analysis we can submit for publication. I'm asking for votes and support to reward work already done, in the suggested amount $2000. If that preliminary amount is voted for the preliminary work we've done, we're committed to continuing. If no rewards are voted for work already done we will take that as a clear signal and likely decide to not proceed with future work as proposed. You're correct, dGov18 submission is proposed as a measure of completion of "actual" analysis as opposed to the preliminary analysis we've done here. I am also careful to suggest "submission" rather than acceptance as the measure of completion so that it's clear our commitment will be to submit and we will not guarantee acceptance. Thanks! -@allancto and @casparlusink |
Hmm... I wonder if a smallish "present in abstract form" Zoom session is in order. @ysgjay, others, are you game? |
Does this work shed any light on #785 ? |
With considerable hesitation, I backed the $2000 proposed budget with my vote. I don't know if this work is on track, and I'm not sure where sponsorship should come from, but I'd like to see more discussion of economics and game theory around the coop. We'll see whether others concur. I suppose getting in touch with the RChain research group is in order. Assigning myself to do that... |
I wasn't sure how to go about tasks like these after the reset, but if @dckc thinks it can be supported, then I'd be glad to support it, too (after all I encouraged @casparlusink to take on this work in the first place). Regarding sponsorship source Another suggestion could be to suggest a label like Are those ideas worth discussing? |
Please add #liveness to the #game-theory and #research bag. |
Good point. Thanks @ravachol!
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Benefit to RChain
Voting of budgets within the existing Bounty and proposed RContributors system has direct impact on the financial health of our Cooperative. Sponsored research in this area may help us understand, design and implement attack resistant systems.
Detailed Description
Overview
We (@allancto) describe the Trustmetric system as it was designed and evolved by Dan Connolly and others over the last year. Akin to Trustmetric, we describe Trusmetric EE, a similar system with nuanced differences.
We (@allancto) have begun to investigate the avenues for mathematical modeling in this area. We’ve identified dGov18 as a potential venue for publishing applied research. We hope to include within this issue potential sponsorship of publishable articles, for instance with $5000 grants or prizes, assuming we are able to find qualified authors or teams.
We (@caspar) propose a modelling approach which may be of utility in analyzing these weighted voting systems.
Summary: Trustmetric and Trustmetric EE
Summary: one proposed modelling approach
z is first normalized to a scale of 0:10
U(np) = 10 - |v-z|, with high-value state
U(bp) = z, with high-value state
U(nn) = 10 - |v-z|, with high/low-value state
U(bn) = z, with high-value state
U(nt) = 10 - |v-z|, with high/low-value state
U(bt) = 10 - |v-z|, with low-value state
Distributions of members with different motivation (represented by utility functions): amount of bad members.
loosely determined by V2, following assumption 1&2, but specifics can be chosen.
Distribution of states: how many people agree with the value of the proposer (high state is agree, low state is not agree)
The ease with which the system is milked/scammed by new members
What’s the threshold (how many bad actors are needed) for voting/proposing for pure monetary gain
Measured by average voting behaviour/outcome in different situations
The ease with which the system can be gamed by trusted members
Bad trusted members undervalue work disproportionally to the rest
Measured by average voting behaviour/outcome in different situations
Democratic fairness of the system
Existence of voting power for everyone (V2.3) or more people in trusted weighting (V2.2)
References and previous work
Budget and Timeline
During September we’ve had only time to consider this and plant a stake in the ground. Our requested reward for September is as follows
Estimated Budget of Task: $[2000 September]
1000 Caspar and 1000 Allan, ~20 hours each
Estimated Timeline Required to Complete the Task: [Sep 30]
How will we measure completion? [Issue posted and comments addressed]
Caspar and Allan certify that if the issue concept is approved to go forward we will continue to work on this issue and bring it to completion (including submit one or more papers for publication)
Legal
Task Submitter shall not submit Tasks that will involve RHOC being transacted in any manner that (i) jeopardizes RHOC’s status as a software access token or other relevant and applicable description of the RHOC as an “asset”—not a security— or (2) violates, in any manner, applicable U.S. Securities laws.
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